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Title: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 06, 2012, 03:48:27 PM
Hey guys.
At the moment I am on a terrible PC (Medion erazer x70), but im going to avoid going into that. Long story short, its terrible and I am never buying anything from Medion again :)
Due to that, im trying to avoid making any more mistakes on PCs.
I looked at few gaming PCs, and ended up deciding on the Titan 8500i Vortex (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-215-OE (http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-215-OE) .
I dont know everything im looking for, but im happy with the 8GB ram, overclocked CPU looks good, and dont think I really need an additional sound card.
Only thing I want to change there is the Radeon 7770 to a 7850. I think the price is worth it, and the 7850 seems a lot better, the best I could find for that price range.
(http://www.hwcompare.com/12033/radeon-hd-7770-vs-radeon-hd-7850/ (http://www.hwcompare.com/12033/radeon-hd-7770-vs-radeon-hd-7850/))
I know nothing about crossfire, but im guessing keeping you can't crossfire two cards? Such as buying it with the stock 7770, then buying the 7850 and using them both.
The motherboard looks decent, and I think has everything I need, but im not really sure. (My current motherboard has NO spare PCI slots).
It is the GA-Z77X-D3H (http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4144#sp (http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4144#sp))
I think this is everything I need to look at for buying the PC, but im not too sure, so any help would be appreciated.
If you know something such as a better ready-built PC for that price range (im aiming for under £900, and definitely under £1000), or maybe a better GPU for around that price, please let me know,
Im buying this in July (after my exams), so no big rush now.
Thanks for any help/advice :)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Capped on May 06, 2012, 04:44:13 PM
Uhm, it all looks nice enough. I dont know anything about ATI cards so im not sure about the GFX, obviously the 7850 is better :P googling it a bit it seems as though it may be the equivilent of a 560TI? or so..In which case its a good card, but not strong enough to run the latest games at full FPS constant, putting them in crossfire would ensure that though. I would still recommend going with the better 7850.

Btw, Crossfire is putting 2 cards in 1 machine, they need to be the same cards, same clocks etc or there will be alot of issues, Although i have heard of different cards being used but only for certain tasks, and usually its a 3 GFX card machine, im not sure on that. Its best to stick with the 2 of the same card.

The main thing really is, Overclockers and any PC seller, really bump up the prices on their stuff, purely because they built and sell it as a package. If you could buy all those parts seperately and you (or someone you know) puts it together, you could probably knock £200-300 off the price, which opens up to buying better parts with the money saved. Building a computer isnt hard either, even monkeys can do it (Hi azbec! :D) Even overclocking your CPU is pretty simple, there are plenty of guides for the i5-2500k and its really trial and error.

Short version: Get the better graphics card - If you can, buy parts seperately and build it yourself :P

That said, its a nice machine and you cant really go wrong, if you go with the 7770 card, you will probably need an upgrade soon-ish in which you can just go with a more powerful card, or chuck another one in for crossfire.

I really need to get myself another 560ti too :-(
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 06, 2012, 04:46:08 PM
Looks pretty good. You're right about the xfire, you cant do it with 2 different cards. If you wanted to do that you'd need 2 7770s or 2 7850s and so forth (to be honest, i wouldn't really worry about it. I wouldn't consider xfire unless you had an i7 cpu). If you can get the team at overclockers to put a 7850 in that for you, then I'd definetaly go for it. Unless you are getting some fancy ass £100+ headphones or a crazy 7.1 sound system that costs £500 that onboard audio is fine for general gaming and every day use.
Plenty of space with that HDD and that SSD will making booting very quick! (Just make sure they actually install windows on the ssd xD)
8gb of ram is plenty, and the watercooler should keep things nice and quiet :)

Everything looks good with that and I've only heard good things about OCuk so you should be good to go!
Have you not considered building your rig yourself? Doesn't really matter if you don't, it just saves you a bit of money.

But apart from that, that pc looks great! Good luck with your exams too!

Damn you capped posting before me!

Also, to run crossfire, you will need a beefier power supply, which will bump that price up.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 06, 2012, 05:16:49 PM
Thanks guys.
They said you can make small changes, I messaged them asking about putting a 7850 in today.
Using the GPU compare site, it shows the 7850 is a tiny bit better than the 560ti.
I have got someone that could build it for me, but that would probably take longer, and wouldn't be overclocked as much.
I still need to be thinking about keyboards and mouse too, at the moment im on standard USB ones.
Luckily its my birthday coming up in July ;)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Capped on May 06, 2012, 06:37:02 PM
Overclocking is pretty simple, Its not something you should worry about in terms of buying / building yourself. Its very easy to overclock high providing you buy an aftermarket cooler. and 4.6 on an i5 is standard, only pushing 5+ does it really put strain on the thing.

7850 is basically the equivilent of the 560ti then? i thought the 7770 was, well its a nice card then, especially if it puts out a little more performance. I can run any game that tickles my fancy at max with acceptable fps, not max :p.

Ehm, building it yourself would probably free up the money for a keyboard and mouse if you wanted it, or better parts as i said.

Its all personal prefrence, you could just buy the thing off overclockers, but you'd be spending more then you needed to and what could you do with the extra monies :D
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 06, 2012, 06:43:23 PM
Comparison of 560ti and 7850: http://www.hwcompare.com/12054/geforce-gtx-560-ti-vs-radeon-hd-7850/ (http://www.hwcompare.com/12054/geforce-gtx-560-ti-vs-radeon-hd-7850/)
7850 is less power, and about 10% better.
It would be my uncle building, who lives quite a while away so it might take ages, and I havent even spoken to him.
I also know nothing about overclocking, other than the built in feature that comes with AMD graphics cards.
I could wait a bit before buying a mouse and keyboard, to save spending loads at once.
I havent replaced a GPU before and know nothing about that, so need to do some research :P
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 06, 2012, 06:53:59 PM
There was also something else I wanted to mention.
Someone I know was saying you shouldn't really mix AMD and Intel, or Nvidia and Ati.
I was calling bullshit, because i've seen lots of people with i7s and AMD cards.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 06, 2012, 09:04:02 PM
There was also something else I wanted to mention.
Someone I know was saying you shouldn't really mix AMD and Intel, or Nvidia and Ati.
I was calling bullshit, because i've seen lots of people with i7s and AMD cards.


Bollocks, im using an AMD card with my i3 and it runs fine.
Also, replacing graphics cards is as simple as plugging something into a wall socket. Litereally, all you do is take out a couple of screws in plug it into a slot (after removing the old gpu of course).
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 06, 2012, 09:20:09 PM
Haha thanks for clearing that up. Hes an "all the gear and no idea" type guy, thinks he knows everything.
Never got to try replacing a GPU because of the terrible spacing in my motherboard xD
Looking forward to this upgrade, because I can play BF3, skyrim etc on this and I think it looks good (way better than console), and then look at the GPU I have now to compared with what I will get :P http://www.hwcompare.com/12094/radeon-hd-5570-vs-radeon-hd-7850/ (http://www.hwcompare.com/12094/radeon-hd-5570-vs-radeon-hd-7850/)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 06, 2012, 10:36:26 PM
Yeah, thats a big improvement!
PC building wise, friends and family say to me 'wow you built a computer, impressive' I just tell them its like a jigsaw puzzle with an instruction manual.
Its not hard if you can be bothered to learn, and that doesn't take long.
http://www.buildyourown.org.uk/

Incase you wish to expand your knowledge on pcs and building:
Check that website out, their guide is great, but slightly outdated. Everything is explained in good detail and they have a pc building forum too!
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 07, 2012, 07:58:30 AM
If you can send me a link of a popular and trustworthy UK gaming gear site, I can put together something that could probably beat ( I'm 98% sure it will ) the PC you want to buy from OCuk for about the same price.

Thing is you'll have to build it yourself or call someone that will do it for you. Overclocking a i5-2500K is so easy it's laughable. I have that same processor and it took me about 3 mins to overclock it to 4.8 GHz ( I bumped it down to 4.5 GHz cause I didn't notice any difference between the two gaming wise ).

 
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 07, 2012, 11:34:56 AM
I dont really know many, apart from oCuk or novatech. Im pretty sure they are the main ones. For individual parts I normally look at the brands website.
I could see about getting it built for me, which I will do if it saves money, thanks.
And to Azbec: I'll check that site out. I think there is quite a lot of holes in what I know, so I should learn stuff now now before I get the PC.
Got my exams in two weeks, if only I put this much effort into revision :P
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 07, 2012, 12:02:23 PM
Definately try
www.ebuyer.com - Probably some of the lowest prices on the web, and they have a great free delivery service for orders over £45
and try
www.scan.co.uk - These guys have a pc building system similar to ocuk, might be worth checking them out, their store is also very good.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 07, 2012, 12:42:46 PM
If you look at the picture third along here ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128546 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128546) )
Does that have the connectors needed? I know the 7850 would use the x16 slot, but dont really know what they are all used for.
It does look pretty crowded, so would the card fit? The other slots look quite close below the x16, so I dont really see how the card would fit there :S
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 07, 2012, 02:13:18 PM
The mobo in the flesh is alot bigger.
Because I am so nice  :P I have highlighted the different slots on the board!

(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/1628/5646big.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/269/5646big.jpg/)

This is what they all do:
The slot with the red box around it is the PCI express x16 slot, this is where your graphics card will be (yes it is compatible).
 
The slot next to it which has the dark green box is a PCI express x1, these are commonly used for more recent sound cards and network cards. This particular slot will be covered up by the graphics card, as the coolers on most cards are 2 PCI slots wide. So you won't be able to use it (I wouldn't worry, you probably won't even use all of them).

The slots in light green boxes are also PCI express x1, the gpu won't cover those up, so if you want a sound card or network card or any other expansion card that uses PCI express x1, then it'll go in one of those.

The slot in the blue box is a PCI express x8 slot, if you're gonna go crossfire, then the second card will be there.
However, it will cover up the PCI slot next to it (yellow box). Normal PCI is gradually being phased out by PCI express x1 but alot of soundcards in the market (especially the cheaper ones) still use PCI, so if you're getting a cheaper sound card it you will need to contemplate actually going crossfire, or spend a bit more on a PCI express x1 sound card.

That last slot that I have highlighted is a PCI express x4 slot. You probably won't use it so I won't bother explaining.

Hope that helps! And btw, that is a very nice looking mobo!
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 07, 2012, 02:50:29 PM
Thanks a lot, that cleared up pretty much everything on the motherboard :)
That motherboard has built in audio, so I might not get a sound card, and I have a USB network adapter too.
Only motherboard I had seen is mine, which has one x16 slot and NO others :@
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 07, 2012, 03:26:44 PM
K, I've checked the ebuyer site ( the one that Azbec linked ) and i can definitelly put something together that will perform better than the Vortex PC you want to buy from OCuk.

Tell me what's your price limit and I'll start working on the parts list today/tomorrow.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 07, 2012, 03:28:13 PM
K, I've checked the ebuyer site ( the one that Azbec linked ) and i can definitelly put something together that will perform better than the Vortex PC you want to buy from OCuk.

Tell me what's your price limit and I'll start working on the parts list today/tomorrow.

I believe he said under £900 on the main post  :)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 07, 2012, 03:34:34 PM
Aiming for under £900, but definitely under £1000 if necessary.
What about 4 of these for the RAM: http://www.mrmemory.co.uk/StandardMemory/product.asp?rangelist=240%20Pin%20DDR3%20PC3-12800%201600MHz (http://www.mrmemory.co.uk/StandardMemory/product.asp?rangelist=240%20Pin%20DDR3%20PC3-12800%201600MHz)
Im not 100% sure on all compatibilities, but they are the 240 pin and PC3-12800 (1600MHz) just like the ones that come in the ready built PC.
Thanks for all the help :)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 07, 2012, 03:43:13 PM
You don't want that crap.
You want something like these http://www.ebuyer.com/264750-g-skill-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-1600mhz-ripjawsx-memory-kit-cl9-9-9-9-24-1-5v-f3-12800cl9d-8gbxl

or these

http://www.ebuyer.com/248846-corsair-vengeance-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-1600mhz-cl9-1-5v-non-ecc-unbuffered-cmz8gx3m2a1600c9

or these which are the ones that the ocuk pc would have in it
http://www.ebuyer.com/274035-corsair-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-1600mhz-low-profile-vengeance-memory-kit-cl9-cml8gx3m2a1600c9
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Capped on May 07, 2012, 04:00:00 PM
I have the gskill mem, and if nothing else it makes u smile when u see it in ur machine :D

They're also awesome performance wise
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 07, 2012, 04:10:35 PM
Mr memory is crap?
Haha I heard they were good, but probably not the best choice for gaming.
Do you think I should go for 8GB ram? It has 4 slots and can support up to 32GB (Which I would never need)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 07, 2012, 05:22:48 PM
No the brand is'nt necessarily crap, its just I generally don't trust stuff that looks cheap and nasty. Plus that stuff will run hotter than the ones I posted.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 07, 2012, 06:02:49 PM
Yeah, it is pretty cheap, and the stuff you posted looked a lot better.
I think I should use 8GB ram, then add another 2x4gb pack if I need to at a later date :)
oCuk replied, and I have to phone up their sales team and get quotes off of some pay per minute number etc...
So looks like buying the separate parts is the way to go :P
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 07, 2012, 07:07:50 PM
K, I've checked the ebuyer site ( the one that Azbec linked ) and i can definitelly put something together that will perform better than the Vortex PC you want to buy from OCuk.

Tell me what's your price limit and I'll start working on the parts list today/tomorrow.

I believe he said under £900 on the main post  :)

He said aiming for under 900 but definitelly below 1000, so I wanted a more specific answer, either below 900 or below 1000...that 100 pounds can make quite a difference.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 07, 2012, 07:25:29 PM
Ok, £900 please :)
Was just thinking if you did something that came to like £910, that would be fine
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 08, 2012, 12:29:21 AM
Ok, £900 please :)
Was just thinking if you did something that came to like £910, that would be fine

noted :) will put something together tomorrow and post it here...just to be sure, you're only looking for the case right ? no monitor, keyboard, etc.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Limey on May 08, 2012, 02:10:44 AM
There was also something else I wanted to mention.
Someone I know was saying you shouldn't really mix AMD and Intel, or Nvidia and Ati.
I was calling bullshit, because i've seen lots of people with i7s and AMD cards.

He's wrong in saying you shouldn't mix them. But he's right about the brands... AMD works with ATI, A LOT better than an intel processor would, ATI/AMD has software/firmware out there that increases the perfomance of the 2 together. As with Intel and nVidia. But its nothing to worry about, unless you want that extra little bit of performance of course.

Also, check out http://www.lambda-tek.com/computing/index.htm - one of the best sites out there, checks compatibility and prices.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: KriS on May 08, 2012, 04:04:29 AM
thats wrong.. you can mix amd with intel i know

Asus motherbored (AMD)
Processor (Intel)
Graphics Card ATI Readon 6990 (AMD)
RAM dominator gt DDR3 (intel)

as you can see mixed :P you can also do a dual graphics card 1 nvida other one ATI works better than 2 nvida or 2 ati its really od
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 08, 2012, 07:33:03 AM
Kris, Asus is not AMD. They are a known PC manufacturer that's not a part of either AMD or Nvidia, just like Gigabyte or MSI.

And as far as I know you can't run an AMD and an Nvidia GPU together in SLI/Crossfire...but you can make each one run separately from the other.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 08, 2012, 08:59:27 AM
Done and done ! This build will definitelly blow the OCuk's premade PC you were looking at out of the water:

(http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6647/joesbuild.jpg)


Total comes to 902.5 pounds with free shipping if you choose delivery in 5 days after order confirmation
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Kirks on May 08, 2012, 09:56:50 AM
Thats a nice set up, at the mid range that is the GPU and CPU combo to go for at the moment. If you did want to save a bit more money forget the £100 case and and £60 SSD as neither will effect your in game performance, though admittedly both nice to have.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: laugher on May 08, 2012, 04:19:19 PM
i would go for a more powerful psu in case you want to add another gpu and or sound car at a later time
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 08, 2012, 04:28:51 PM
Yeah drop the case to something cheaper, like the enforcer or scout. Its not an E-ATX build so an E-ATX case isnt needed. IMHO the cm storm scout bundle with the 700w modular psu is a better deal.
http://www.ebuyer.com/177749-cm-storm-scout-coolermaster-silent-pro-700w-modular-psu-special-offer-sgc-2000-kkwp1-gp
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 08, 2012, 04:43:32 PM
Time for some nooby questions :P
Going by the " This build will definitelly blow the OCuk's premade PC you were looking at out of the water", which parts are a lot better?
I think the PSU and case, I dont know much about RAM.
And the processor cooler, 2nd from bottom, is that in the pre-built one, or is that a much better fan?
Thanks again
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 08, 2012, 04:46:14 PM
Also on another note:
I may not be buying this until end of June / July time.
Do you think this will lower the price of some parts?
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 08, 2012, 07:26:42 PM
PSU, case, motherboard and graphics card are way better compared to the prebuilt PC you had your eyes on.

I like full tower cases because they give you plenty of room to hide the cables plus if you want to upgrade later with lets say another graphics card, a high end soundcard or whatever, space def won't be an issue. Also airflow is 10 times better in full towers compared to mid towers and that makes all the difference once you start overclocking ( even if you leave the CPU/GPU/RAM/Motherboard on stock ), cause temperatures start to rise and a good airflow will keep your parts nice and cool. The case I picked for this build is one of the best when it comes to airflow and cooling ( talking bout air cooling not water cooling ).

Regarding the PSU, it's not all about Watts since a lower W but quality PSU ( and the Corsair TX seriers are known to be quality PSUs ) beats a higher W but low quality PSU any day. This PSU is 80%+ efficient ( 80 plus bronze certified ) and has plenty of amperage so if you decide to pick another 7850 to crossfire, you'll have plenty of Watts and amperage for it.

Also the motheboard is top notch in that price range and overclocking a 2500K processor with this baby will go smooth as silk. How much you can overlcock a CPU depends a lot on what kind of motherboard you have and with this one you won't have any problems whatsoever. Also it supports Ivy bridge along with Sandy, so it's future proof ( until Intel changes socket ) in case of a later upgrade although with an overclocked 2500K you def won't need to upgrade for quite some time.

If I were you I wouldn't change the PSU, motherboard, graphics card and RAM from the build I just posted. The rest is up for debate and can be changed at will. More or less I stayed within your budget ( a tiny smidge over 900 pounds ) and if you decide to buy the parts from that site, that's the best you can get for that kind of money.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 08, 2012, 07:34:47 PM
That is probably what I will use, but I am open to suggestions.
Thanks for making that list / explaining parts.
I will look into the parts in more detail now :)
Note: I have just noticed, that does not have a copy of windows 7!
When I talk to my uncle about building it, I will ask if he has a copy I can install. (Im guessing he does.)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 08, 2012, 07:36:42 PM
Note: I have just noticed, that does not have a copy of windows 7!
When I talk to my uncle about building it, I will ask if he has a copy I can install. (Im guessing he does.)

Or you can aquire it by "other" means  /hint
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 08, 2012, 07:42:07 PM
Done that for my laptop, accidently let it update or something and it is now constantly flashing warnings at me :P
Also, I noticed for the case it has two optional fans (bottom and side), im guessing they aren't on this one?
But seriously. Thats a damn sexy case :P
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 08, 2012, 07:51:10 PM
Done that for my laptop, accidently let it update or something and it is now constantly flashing warnings at me :P
Also, I noticed for the case it has two optional fans (bottom and side), im guessing they aren't on this one?
But seriously. Thats a damn sexy case :P

Download CHEWGA for Win 7, install it and the flashing warnings will be gone ;)

About the additional fans ( 2 on the side and 1 on the bottom ), they are indeed not included and you don't really need them, maybe just one 120mm fan for the side panel ( optional but definitelly not needed if you won't crossifre straight away ) so you have additional cooling for your GPU, although the 7850 doesn't really produce much heat.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 08, 2012, 08:41:40 PM
I have only checked out the case so far (doing homework xD), but I plan to check out all of the other parts so most likely will return with more nooby questions :P
But that at all looks great so far :D
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: knightey on May 08, 2012, 09:03:59 PM
Don't worry about the nooby questions Joe, I am learning a lot from this thread :P And we all have to start somewhere, and here you are getting some of the best advice for free :D People hear will give you free and impartial advice, if I don't now sound like an injury claim advert :D
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 08, 2012, 09:59:59 PM
I will now claim my PPI :P
Im learning lots and there seems to be lots of skilled and knowledgeable people here :)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Limey on May 08, 2012, 11:03:14 PM
thats wrong.. you can mix amd with intel i know

Asus motherbored (AMD)
Processor (Intel)
Graphics Card ATI Readon 6990 (AMD)
RAM dominator gt DDR3 (intel)

as you can see mixed :P you can also do a dual graphics card 1 nvida other one ATI works better than 2 nvida or 2 ati its really od

Never said you can't mix..

I just said its better not to.

and as stated above ATI/nVidia can't Xfire/SLI with intel/AMD.

Main reason being that ATI graphics cards are made by AMD...
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 08, 2012, 11:33:10 PM
Problem with full towers is
1. They are big. And some are really big. They wont fit on most desks and are totally pointless if you don't have the floor space either.
2. Airflow, true they are awesome for airflow. But that can also mean more fans which in turn = noise. There are masses of mid cases with decent airflow that can accomodate a single rad cooler, and a xfire/sli setup with ease and no dramatic increases in temps.
3. Price, they're expensive and it makes much more sense to save £50 by getting a mid and spending that on a more efficient cooling system or something else for the case or build.

I have to agree with Kirkers on the case front here.
However, its Joe's decision, and if he has the space for a great big full tower then I won't stop you!

EDIT: Also, the new AMD cards don't get particularly hot in the first place so more extreme cooling isn't (necessarily) required.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Limey on May 09, 2012, 02:04:53 AM
Joe, i can get you a W7 Professional Key for free if you do end up needing it. Totally legitimate too :)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 09, 2012, 07:26:14 AM
Problem with full towers is
1. They are big. And some are really big. They wont fit on most desks and are totally pointless if you don't have the floor space either.
2. Airflow, true they are awesome for airflow. But that can also mean more fans which in turn = noise. There are masses of mid cases with decent airflow that can accomodate a single rad cooler, and a xfire/sli setup with ease and no dramatic increases in temps.
3. Price, they're expensive and it makes much more sense to save £50 by getting a mid and spending that on a more efficient cooling system or something else for the case or build.

I have to agree with Kirkers on the case front here.
However, its Joe's decision, and if he has the space for a great big full tower then I won't stop you!

EDIT: Also, the new AMD cards don't get particularly hot in the first place so more extreme cooling isn't (necessarily) required.

I partially agree here, still high towers ( if you have space and don't mind the price ) have shitloads of benefits over mid towers.

But ye, if money and desk space are an issue ( even though my build is within Joe's budget ) consider changing the case I picked with something cheaper.

Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 09, 2012, 08:41:55 AM
Problem with full towers is
1. They are big. And some are really big. They wont fit on most desks and are totally pointless if you don't have the floor space either.
2. Airflow, true they are awesome for airflow. But that can also mean more fans which in turn = noise. There are masses of mid cases with decent airflow that can accomodate a single rad cooler, and a xfire/sli setup with ease and no dramatic increases in temps.
3. Price, they're expensive and it makes much more sense to save £50 by getting a mid and spending that on a more efficient cooling system or something else for the case or build.

I have to agree with Kirkers on the case front here.
However, its Joe's decision, and if he has the space for a great big full tower then I won't stop you!

EDIT: Also, the new AMD cards don't get particularly hot in the first place so more extreme cooling isn't (necessarily) required.

I partially agree here, still high towers ( if you have space and don't mind the price ) have shitloads of benefits over mid towers.

But ye, if money and desk space are an issue ( even though my build is within Joe's budget ) consider changing the case I picked with something cheaper.

I couldn't agree more about the benefits of full towers, they are awesome.
Consider the psu and case bundle I posted as an option if a full tower won't be possible because it'll save even more cash!
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Kirks on May 09, 2012, 09:26:06 AM
I was just trying to find ways to cut cost on Sins suggested system, the case could be cheaper.

If you spend £150 you get a better case no doubt and if you want the best system you can have, a case can make a big difference to cooling (and aesthetics if you are a girl) but you can get away with a cheaper case.

With a custom PC build its always the case that you can find ways to spend a bit more here and there, and provided you spend wisely it will improve the end product. However its important to target your budget towards what you want from your PC - Do you want an all rounder? Do you want a silent PC? Are pure frame rates your thing? The less you spend the more you have to target your PC build.

Having said this at £900 sin has suggested a very able all round PC superb 'bang to your buck' one that will demolish most games around with out even thinking about overclocking, which I guess brings me back to the case, why spend the extra money on a cooler more efficient case, save it for the next upgrade

thats wrong.. you can mix amd with intel i know

Asus motherbored (AMD)
Processor (Intel)
Graphics Card ATI Readon 6990 (AMD)
RAM dominator gt DDR3 (intel)

as you can see mixed :P you can also do a dual graphics card 1 nvida other one ATI works better than 2 nvida or 2 ati its really od

Never said you can't mix..

I just said its better not to.

and as stated above ATI/nVidia can't Xfire/SLI with intel/AMD.

Main reason being that ATI graphics cards are made by AMD...

And as for that old chestnut about mixing Nvidea and AMD its a bit of an internet myth imo, but even if there were some truth in it AMD processors have been so behind the pace in recent years its a non argument. Bottom line pick the best CPU and the best GPU you can afford and it will work just fine.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 09, 2012, 10:12:42 AM
Joe, if you change the case/psu I picked for your build with the case/psu combo Azbec linked ( still a very good case and PSU ) and can live without the SSD, you'll save enough to afford this GPU:

http://www.ebuyer.com/349750-sapphire-hd-7870-ghz-oc-edition-2gb-gddr5-hdmi-dvi-dual-mini-11199-03-20g

It's basically the 7850's older ( older here meaning more powerful ) "brother". Here is a comparison chart between the two GPUs ( game benchmarks ):

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-radeon-hd-7850-and-7870-review/21



Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 09, 2012, 10:36:33 AM
May I just add that this build is starting to be pretty beastly. My PC feels so crap now xD
Joe, if you change the case/psu I picked for your build with the case/psu combo Azbec linked ( still a very good case and PSU ) and can live without the SSD, you'll save enough to afford this GPU:

http://www.ebuyer.com/349750-sapphire-hd-7870-ghz-oc-edition-2gb-gddr5-hdmi-dvi-dual-mini-11199-03-20g

It's basically the 7850's older ( older here meaning more powerful ) "brother". Here is a comparison chart between the two GPUs ( game benchmarks ):

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-radeon-hd-7850-and-7870-review/21





EDIT: I hate how sapphire design their cards with these awesome looking shrouds and coolers, then use an ugly blue PCB for their cards. It ruins the look for me D:
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 09, 2012, 04:32:54 PM
OK, I have a lot to reply to here, so thanks :D
I have the room for a full tower, as I sit my PC on a small table / stool type thing.
That being said, I just measured how big it would be, and damn thats pretty big xD
If its not needed (doesnt sound like it), id much rather spend the money on more useful things.
I dont care about aesthetics much, and would prefer it to be better inside rather than outside (although I wouldn't complain about a cool looking case)
But its pretty much only me who see's the case, so not too important.
If that case and PSU that Azbec linked are good, I am happy to go with those :)
Remember, I have about a month to decide on this :P Although its a month of exams xD
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 09, 2012, 04:44:25 PM
With a custom PC build its always the case that you can find ways to spend a bit more here and there, and provided you spend wisely it will improve the end product. However its important to target your budget towards what you want from your PC - Do you want an all rounder? Do you want a silent PC? Are pure frame rates your thing? The less you spend the more you have to target your PC build.
The noise wont really bother me that much, doesn't need to be silent. Im not too sure what an 'all rounder' includes, I will be using it for everything I do aswell as gaming :P So i'd say im more focused on frame rates :)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 09, 2012, 05:03:36 PM
Something I found in a review:
If your an enthusiast like me, measure your GPU before you buy this case. My XFX HD 5870 did NOT fit in this case, it does now obviously, but i had to really REALLY force it, which is not something I like doing. Note that this only represents this brand of graphics card, not all HD 5870s. It was literally a 50/50 chance that I snapped the PCB, if you want that risk, then on your head be it.
They also gave it 5 stars though.
Im guessing this wont be a problem or tight fit for me?
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: laugher on May 09, 2012, 06:44:47 PM
Well the mid towers are a bit tight spacewise but you shouldn't have any problems provided you dont go for a monstrous gpu with 3 coolers that costs about a thousand euros :p
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 09, 2012, 09:08:02 PM
That's why I always go for a full tower, no space problems whatsoever and tbh the 7850 is quite a big card ( as big as a 5870 ).

Still, I think you'll be fine spacewise but you can always ask the guys that work for that site if the card you want to get will fit the case before you order it...in fact I recommend you to do it. If you'll go with Azbec's case/PSU combo and you can live without the SSD let me know and I'll revise the build ( I'll add the 7870 GPU instead of the 7850 ).

One thing though, I didn't include the DVD Rom because quite frankly, I didn't find it on that site. And you can always reuse the one you currently have.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 09, 2012, 09:09:28 PM
Something I found in a review:
If your an enthusiast like me, measure your GPU before you buy this case. My XFX HD 5870 did NOT fit in this case, it does now obviously, but i had to really REALLY force it, which is not something I like doing. Note that this only represents this brand of graphics card, not all HD 5870s. It was literally a 50/50 chance that I snapped the PCB, if you want that risk, then on your head be it.
They also gave it 5 stars though.
Im guessing this wont be a problem or tight fit for me?

The 7850 will fit in the scout case with lots of room to spare, the 7870 will also fit, but with not much room left.

They will both fit in a full tower case with bags of space left.

This is the dvd drive I use, dirt cheap, very fast and extremely quiet. Have had no problems whatsoever. http://www.ebuyer.com/176026-liteon-ihas124-sata-dvd-optical-drive-oem-ihas124-19
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 09, 2012, 09:17:45 PM
Lol, don't know how I missed the optical drives section....I'm getting old

If it fits in the scout case then go for Azbec's case/PSU combo so you can get the 7870 instead of the 7850. Well worth it.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 09, 2012, 09:26:33 PM
OK, sounds im going for that case and combo, with no SSD
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 09, 2012, 09:27:40 PM
OK, sounds like im going with that case and PSU, no SSD but the 7870 :)
There is definitely room for a full tower, but im not sure it would be worth it?
Rather have a better GPU and a smaller case :P
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 09, 2012, 09:29:38 PM
Lol, don't know how I missed the optical drives section....I'm getting old

If it fits in the scout case then go for Azbec's case/PSU combo so you can get the 7870 instead of the 7850. Well worth it.

As I said, itll fit it in the storm case, which has 280mm of gpu space. The 7870 is 260.1mm long. So it will be quite snug but that won't affect cooling or anything.

Saving money on something to get a better core component is much more worth it!
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 09, 2012, 10:37:37 PM
2cm is quite a small gap :P
But if the cooling is still effective with that, I have no problem :)
Is this moving the cost down or up?
And hopefully all of these will still be available on the website in over a month?
But I have to say, this is looking like a very nice PC :P Thanks
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Limey on May 10, 2012, 01:51:57 AM
2cm is quite a small gap :P

In a PC, 2cm is a rather nice gap for a graphics card.

I always find Coolermaster make nicely sized cases, which aren't that costly.. though they're not the prettiest things..

And as for that old chestnut about mixing Nvidea and AMD its a bit of an internet myth imo, but even if there were some truth in it AMD processors have been so behind the pace in recent years its a non argument. Bottom line pick the best CPU and the best GPU you can afford and it will work just fine.

It's not quite a myth, but you're right with the majority of the AMD processors, though they are probably the best value for money... the Phenom series for AMD are quite nice now (no idea on costs though)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 10, 2012, 07:40:51 AM
New ( revised ) build:

(http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/9914/joesbuild2.jpg)

Total comes to 909 pounds.

It's now slightly more than before because I added the DVD Rom/Bruner Azbec linked. You can save that 15 pounds if you already have one you can reuse.

All in all it's a great build, powerful PC and totally worth the money. I think that's the best we can come up with while still staying within your price range.

Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Capped on May 10, 2012, 08:53:46 AM
The 1TB hard drive is needed? This thread moves fucking quickly i cba to read through it.

If joe isnt planning on mass storage, downloading or any of that crap. It really isnt needed and a 500gb would be ok. That would save some money.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 10, 2012, 09:50:54 AM
The 1TB hard drive is needed? This thread moves fucking quickly i cba to read through it.

If joe isnt planning on mass storage, downloading or any of that crap. It really isnt needed and a 500gb would be ok. That would save some money.

Not a lot of dfference price wise between 500GB and 1TB drives...And believe me, it can fill up real quick.

I have bout 3TB of storrage ( 2x1TB internal and one 750GB external ) and it's about 65% full.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Capped on May 10, 2012, 10:15:14 AM
The 1TB hard drive is needed? This thread moves fucking quickly i cba to read through it.

If joe isnt planning on mass storage, downloading or any of that crap. It really isnt needed and a 500gb would be ok. That would save some money.

Not a lot of dfference price wise between 500GB and 1TB drives...And believe me, it can fill up real quick.

I have bout 3TB of storrage ( 2x1TB internal and one 750GB external ) and it's about 65% full.

Because you hoard untold amounts of shit and dont get rid of anything.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 10, 2012, 11:02:02 AM
^ that's actually so true it's not even funny

Still, a 500GB HD costs around 55 punds...the 1TB one I picked for this built costs 69 pounds.

14 punds more for the additional 500 GBs instead of paying 55 pounds again in case you'll have to buy an additional HD because the one you're using is full....a no-brainer rly.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 10, 2012, 04:19:48 PM
Yeah, 1TB hard drive sounds good ;)
Would this play most games on highest graphics settings?
This weekend / tomorrow I will look up all the parts and let you know what I think :P
The MoBo having a 7.1 audio is good because I have a nice headset :)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 10, 2012, 05:30:46 PM
Hey, I think my favourite PC parts guy just reviewed this card.
Is this it?
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 10, 2012, 05:35:10 PM
Ok, its the XFX one (whatever that is)
Is there a huge difference between the sapphire and XFX one?
Sapphire is about £15 cheaper
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 10, 2012, 07:29:49 PM
Ahh good 'ol Linus. I have to say I love the way XFX style their cards. It certainly looks better than the sapphire one but I don't think the cooling will be as good as the dual fans the sapphire has. However you could fork out a bit more to get the DD version. Your choice really but I wouldn't bother if its alot higher price wise.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 10, 2012, 08:16:31 PM
Is the XFX one noticable better?
But I dont think so, trying to keep the price down :P
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Azbec on May 10, 2012, 10:20:53 PM
No not really, they have the same speeds, just different coolers.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 10, 2012, 10:33:34 PM
In that case i'll stick with two fans. Noise isnt an issue for me at all.
Not sure what to do with my old PC when I get this. Might try to sell it for like 300 or something
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on May 11, 2012, 09:27:04 AM
I also like XFX color scheme more but Sapphire's double fans will cool that GPU way better.

And yes Joe, this setup will play all modern games at the highest graphical settings :)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 11, 2012, 04:28:02 PM
Can't wait to play it, will seem even more insane after this PC :P
Im guessing the blue things are watercooling on the mobo? ( http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4139#sp (http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4139#sp) )
Other than the extra connecters and 7.1 audio, I cant see too much of a difference between the last motherboard and this one?
7.1 is sort of important for me though :P
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Capped on May 11, 2012, 04:48:41 PM
The blue things are just cooling for the north and southbridge i think. Not watercooling
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on May 11, 2012, 04:57:48 PM
I just read some reviews about that, and now I feel stupid :P
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 05, 2012, 08:12:58 PM
Just spoken to my uncle who says he'll build it, and it should be done in one day. But my parents wont let him start until I have finished my exams (18th June).
He said to be sure that the necessary cables come with those parts, or I might need to include some. Do you guys know if it needs any extra cables?
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on June 05, 2012, 08:50:08 PM
all cables are included Joe, u're good to go ;)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: KriS on June 06, 2012, 12:11:32 AM
cool so you should be in tip top shape :D to do more of a rush role :P and when someone is getting shot at you could jump in n save the day lol
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 06, 2012, 12:22:33 AM
Ok, sounds good :) Can't wait for a decent PC
What do you think I should upgrade first:
Get another 8GB RAM
Get gaming mouse / keyboard? And would I need a mouse mat? Never ever used one before
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: KriS on June 06, 2012, 01:10:39 AM
mouse mat helps with aim
ram helps with game run better
mouse helps aim
keyboard helps if its got a nice feel to it with responceive buttons

Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on June 06, 2012, 07:32:58 AM
Ok, sounds good :) Can't wait for a decent PC
What do you think I should upgrade first:
Get another 8GB RAM
Get gaming mouse / keyboard? And would I need a mouse mat? Never ever used one before

8 Gigs of RAM is enough for now, no need to upgrade.

Regarding the mouse, what kind do you use now ? If you have a regular, non gaming mouse then yes, an upgrade would be beneficial. A nice mat would also serve you good.

When it comes to the keyboard, as long as all the buttons on the one you're currenty using work OK you don't need to upgrade it, at least not for now.

If you have enough money left for a upgrade but can only upgrade one thing from the list above, I'd go with a new mouse assuming you're not already using a gaming grade one.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 06, 2012, 11:47:04 AM
I am using a crappy standard mouse, and on quite a slippery desk, which is why I asked about the mat
I'll have a look at some mouses :)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Kirks on June 06, 2012, 11:54:50 AM
Razer have a good guide to the type of gaming mouse that would suit you, but bear in mind they are trying to flog you a razer mouse.

http://www.razerzone.com/mouseguide
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on June 06, 2012, 12:05:20 PM
You either use a palm or a claw grip. That's one of the most important factors you have to consider when picking a gaming mouse.

Palm grip is when your entire palm and all your fingers rest on the mouse and claw grip is when your palm is slightly elevated with only the back touching the mouse and with your fingers in slight elevation making it look like you're forming a claw...if u're a palm grip player then your index and middle finger are usually resting on the left and right mouse button...for claw grip players, the index and middle finger are a bit elevated with only the finger tips resting/touching the left and right mouse button.

Example of a palm grip mouse:

http://www.eventus.si/iimg/717/miska_logitech_g500_gaming_mouse_laser_usb.jpg

Example of a claw grip mouse ( usually shorter than the palm grip one with the left and right buttons having a slight concave shape ):

http://www.buypakistan.com/images/products/originals/G9__66144_zoom.jpg

P.S: I'm slightly biased towards logitech mice :)


Edit: didn't click on the link you posted Kirk...Joe, here's the page from Kirk's link that will tell you more about the difference between palm and claw grip: http://www.razerzone.com/mouseguide/ergonomic


Re-edit: Omg, I'm becoming more anal than our own Mr. Anal a.k.a. Kirk
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 06, 2012, 01:54:14 PM
It says about preferring a large or small mouse, what size would a standard mouse be? That seems a good size xD
I'd say im palm grip, but it says "entire surface of the user’s fingers and palm make contact with the surface of the mouse ", and I slightly arch my fingers, but nowhere near as much as the claw grip.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on June 07, 2012, 02:12:59 PM
Do u use ur entire hand when u move ur mouse with the pressure being more or less evenly spread throughout the hand  or do u move it while applying more pressure through ur fingers/fingertips ?
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 07, 2012, 02:31:29 PM
Pretty much my whole hand
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on June 07, 2012, 02:37:24 PM
Then a palm grip mouse is for u mate.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 07, 2012, 02:39:24 PM
Cool, thanks :)
Not sure how much to spend one on though, the average for a razer seemed about £70.
Might have to look at a cheaper brand for now :P
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on June 07, 2012, 02:53:24 PM
Cool, thanks :)
Not sure how much to spend one on though, the average for a razer seemed about £70.
Might have to look at a cheaper brand for now :P

The Razer Deathadder should be cheaper...around the 40 pounds mark. A rly good mouse.

Alternative would be the Logitech G500...also around the 40 pounds mark. It's what I use and I couldn't be happier with it.
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 07, 2012, 05:12:20 PM
I found a deathadder by razer for a bit more than that xD
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Razer-DeathAdder-RZ01-00151400-R3G1/dp/B005SB38CI/ref=sr_1_11?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1339085472&sr=1-11
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 07, 2012, 05:31:46 PM
Been reading a couple of reviews, and a few people have said its quite big.
Approximate size: 128mm (length) x 70mm (width) x 42.5mm (height)
That seems a lot bigger than a standard mouse size?
Just measured the crappy standard mouse im using, and thats around 100 x 50 x  30
Has anyone here used this?
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: knightey on June 07, 2012, 06:11:46 PM
I use a Razer Lachesis, great mouse, but some people can't use them due to their shape (they are ambidextrous) and some people cant use all the buttons. I can use the ones on the left side no problem, the ones on the right side are a little bit harder to reach so I use them for macros (only use them to connect to a server or say gl n hf because I am lazy like that). I know its expensive, but they are a great mouse.

Link: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Razer-Lachesis-Refresh-5600DPI-Gaming/dp/B003ZML17Q/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1339088968&sr=1-1
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Limey on June 07, 2012, 06:13:24 PM
copperhead is a cheaper mouse from razer, decent quality.. I'd recommend the Lachesis Banshee mouse.. Absolutely amazing, and looks so good too. Had my Lachesis Banshee for about 2 years now, great mouse.

EDIT: All razer mice are generally bigger than the awful standard 800DPI mice you get, so i wouldnt worry too much about size, and for me ergonomics don't usually play a great part.. I just look at the spec of the mouse, and if it sounds good for the price, i go for it..
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 07, 2012, 06:20:34 PM
Lachesis looks quite similar to the deathadder to me xD
Im trying to not go over £50, and do you think a mouse mat would be a decent idea? Just using my desk at the moment.
They seem quite cheap http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_GB/pd/productID.169419500/categoryId.35208900
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Kirks on June 07, 2012, 06:24:22 PM
steelseries ftw
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: bobafett on June 07, 2012, 07:55:24 PM
i had a Lachesis before and didnt get on with it at all ...its size and contour was a bit different to what i was used to ..its features were great for 5 mins untill i wanted to game and then it was all about the movement and acuracy ...its main flaw for me was the shape and position of the side thumb buttons ...i for myself squeezing them in intence combat situations leading to a wrong move at a vital time ...(throwing a nade in a gun fight never works) so i replaced it with a razer IMPERATOR  ..i have foud this to be an excelent mouse ..the side thumd buttons are ajustable to suit your hand and it feels solid and well made ..ive used this one for ages now and never had a problem with it ..as for mouse mat i use an ironclad also from  razer (larger than normal mouse mats) it gives a solid smooth base and works well with my mouse ..(only thing is it can get cold on your wrist) as its made of aluminium .
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: Capped on June 07, 2012, 08:06:07 PM
Razer Deathadder or the Steelseries Xai, your not claw grip so the xai will suck i think.

Anything else is liable to faults and breakages, in fact both of ^ those are but they are "big sellers" so they have a better quality of life.

Both razer and steelseries are awesome and i love them, but alot of their gear is gimmick and poorly made - i went IMBA FANBOI MODE WOOP WOOP and bought the entire starcraft 2 razer set, Had to replace 2/3 of them within 9 months and 1 of the items came out of the packet fucked (remember robot man anyone? that mic was epic.)

Of course, build quality is always different, and there are other items from steelseries and razer that are rated highly by others, but for mice, those two are the safest bets IMO
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on June 07, 2012, 08:07:16 PM
http://www.ebuyer.com/174418-logitech-g500-gaming-mouse-usb-910-001262 - under 40 pounds and an awesome mouse

http://www.ebuyer.com/241397-cyborg-r-a-t-5-laser-gaming-mouse-4000-dpi-d21-43705 - under 50 pounds and the lenght is adjustable...also awesome mouse



i'm all kinds of awesome.......gg

Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: laugher on June 08, 2012, 04:30:48 PM
Get the g9x, can go with both grips if you are unsure what you need :p
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 09, 2012, 03:38:41 PM
err, what? xD
And I think i'll go with razer deathadder, and a mat like:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Razer-Goliathus-Omega-Speed-Fragged/dp/B002PIL22A/ref=pd_cp_computers_0
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: KriS on June 09, 2012, 03:43:07 PM
here is my mouse mat..

(https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/GS-015-RA_35101_350.jpg)

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GS-015-RA (https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GS-015-RA)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 09, 2012, 03:46:53 PM
I looked at that, I think its too big for my desk.
I should be getting a new desk soon, but maybe not for a few months, so I dont want something I cant use for a while.
I can move my mouse in about 20cm x 20cm square :L
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 19, 2012, 07:29:41 PM
Ok guys, finally got the go ahead for this :)
Now I just need to get the links to all the parts, and make sure I get it all right :P
Also, how long do you think before this needs setup needs upgrading or anything?
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on June 20, 2012, 07:51:31 AM
Ok guys, finally got the go ahead for this :)
Now I just need to get the links to all the parts, and make sure I get it all right :P
Also, how long do you think before this needs setup needs upgrading or anything?

You won't be needing an upgrade for quite a while mate
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 22, 2012, 09:13:11 PM
Ok, if this is all correct, I shall be ordering this PC tomorrow :D
Just wanted to post here first, just to be 100% sure its all right xD Some prices had gone up, some had gone down but overall it was a bit cheaper :)
So if there is anything that would be worth changing for the £30 I saved, let me know :P
*EDIT* I could add another 8GB ram, to make it 16?
(http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/6943/buildupdated.jpg)
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 22, 2012, 09:41:11 PM
Actually, I've just seen I got 1333 mhz memory, as the 1600mhz of that type is no longer on there.
Should I go for a different type and 1600mhz, or that type and 1333mhz?
16GB of corsair vengeance  1600mhz puts the price up to £930
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: S!n!StR on June 23, 2012, 09:44:17 AM
Go with a different type of 1600 Mhz memory
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 23, 2012, 12:52:34 PM
It comes to £920 if I add the GTX 670, which seems to be a bit better than the 7870.
I've only ever used AMD before, so no idea what Nvidia cards are like.
D'you think this is worth the price difference?
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: bobafett on June 23, 2012, 01:01:22 PM
i use a gtx 580 msi lightning ..and theres no game it cant handle at max settings
http://www.msi.com/service/product-comparison/vga.html   just thinking about reducing the costs ..as you knownew cards come out nearly every week now so why pay top dollar for a new card when a slightly older model will do the same job with the games we have today..
Title: Re: PC Upgrade
Post by: JoeB361 on June 23, 2012, 01:09:49 PM
That version is discontinued on the site im buying from, and other versions are over my budget I think :(
Trying to get this ordered today :L